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The Decline of The Jockstrap -Mutiple things I can blame it on.

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We wear literal pants (board shorts - past the knee) to go to the beach in, sitting in wet pants when we get out of the water. The football players, having to keep positioning their towells over their junk in the tight pants. Guys wont join wrestling because of the singlet that must be worn in public competitions and the ridicule that it creates. They wont join swimming because of the speedo requirement, again ridicule and embarrasment. If competitions and meets were men only i bet you'd see alot more guys trying out for the sports. God forbid Karen is denied entry, she has the mayor on the phone in 10 minutes and its front page news the next day. They wear compression shorts that now go past their knees, and your wondering why they won't wear a jockstrap that not only lets them move around with much less restriction, but has a wideband strap that keeps it in place and won't let it ride up their ass like compression shorts do, and dosen't soak up their sweat, having a hot, sweaty wedgie while trying to compete in a sport. Those wet, sweaty compression shorts sure as hell don't help the chafing jock itch situation one bit either. No way I could wear them after wearing jocks for so long. But, they sure do cover everything, and thats why they are worn now. Women wear dental floss at the beach, stickers on their breasts at award shows on TV, nobody gives a fuck, but a guy shows up in a speedo at the beach everyone looses their minds. If you have a diffrent opinion let me know, not trying to start an argument.
Amen, I hate the compression shorts. They sure as hell don’t support my manhood like a jock would. If you’re a real athlete Just grow a pair and wear an athletic supporter! It’s crazy how afraid guys are about speedos too. It is cool that in some countries (Brazil, Eastern Europe) it seems like men wearing a Speedo is more common.
 

Mike-Mike

Jockstrap Fan
Amen, I hate the compression shorts. They sure as hell don’t support my manhood like a jock would. If you’re a real athlete Just grow a pair and wear an athletic supporter! It’s crazy how afraid guys are about speedos too. It is cool that in some countries (Brazil, Eastern Europe) it seems like men wearing a Speedo is more common.
I also hate compression shorts, they restrict your leg movement when running. Running is my sport and I always wear a jock. I tried compression shorts and it only lasted about 2-3 runs.

I used to be self-conscious about changing in the locker rooms because I never saw any other guys wearing them, but now I don't really care. It's not about what other people think, it's about what feels more comfortable on me.
 
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I also hate compression shorts, they restrict your leg movement when running. Running is my sport and I always wear a jock. I tried compression shorts and it only lasted about 2-3 runs.

I used to be self-conscious about changing in the locker rooms because I never saw any other guys wearing them, but now I don't really care. It's not about what other people think, it's about what feels more comfortable on me.
I was always too scared to wear a jock during track In High school, but it would’ve made so much sense. That is awesome to hear, I have been able to be confident and proud of the jocked guy I am.
 

Mick

Jockstrap Fan
“ don't think they were phased out as the result of homophobia but more likely the increased awareness in the 80s and 90s of boys being molested by priests, Scout leaders, and coaches. As such, schools probably thought it best to abandon any requirements that could be interpreted (falsely or correctly) as sexual and/or infringing on a young man's right to privacy - not being forced to strip naked and shower with 15 other boys while a gym teacher watched in the distance.”

I agree with you on this point. As media grew, news about kidnappings and molestations grew with it. I think it created a fear in parents and sometimes an almost unhealthy antisocial environment. My partner and I are 10 years apart but some of our experiences, especially in the environment you mentioned, are vastly different.
 

Opinionman

Jockstrap Fan
Couple of dudes said this to me as well. Dick's stores does have them, they sure as hell still sell cups for baseball, you just have to find and ask a dude where they have them (cups). If he says they don't have them he's lazy or dumb. Don't ask for a jockstrap. Every sporting goods store sells cups, if they sell baseball bats and gloves there gonna have cups and the jock they go inside. The're there. If u dont wanna ask just look around the sports equipment section, there definitly there u just gotta look. They are not in the baseball section. You don't have to buy the cup and the jock, they have them seperate, both jocks with no cup pouch and the jocks with the pouch for the cup.
Five or six years ago, just for a cheap thrill, I went to a a major sports supplier in Dallas ( I think the chain was "Academy Sports") I purposely searched out a youngish guy there to do a little social experiment. I walked to him at the counter and said (brazenly, I thought) "You guys sell jockstraps?"
He looked at me uncomprehendingly. It was clear in a flash he'd never even HEARD the term before. Next moment, the manager (in his 40's) said, "This way, sir" and led me to a wall display of jocks. It made me laugh but also mourn for the loss of the jock as a standard piece of equipment.
I haven't seen a jock display in such stores for years, as others have noted here.
 

laxcup

Jockstrap Fan
I attended high school between 2003 and 2007, so right around the time jocks started disappearing from locker rooms, maybe a little bit after. My high school was a bit different. It was an all-guys high school where tradition was big, and generally speaking younger guys just tried to emulate the older guys, which is why a lot of us still wore jocks when most guys at other schools had switched over to compression shorts.

I hear a lot of guys blame the disappearance of jockstraps on the idea that they had become associated with gay sex and gay culture. I think that may be a reason why they're not popular today, but I don't think that's why guys stopped wearing them in the late 90s and early 2000s. Like someone said earlier in this thread, for that to be true, straight guys would have had to be watching or at least exposed to gay porn which, even though the internet definitely made gay porn more accessible around that time, was not happening. I also hear modesty blamed quite a bit. Again, that could be a reason why jocks aren't popular today among the snowflake set, but I don't think it was a factor at the time. At least at my high school, guys reveled in being naked in the locker room. Changing and showering together was a huge part of the bonding experience and the few guys who refused to shower naked were relentlessly taunted.

To me, a major factor in the decline of jockstraps was marketing. You have to remember, in the early 2000s, if you were a young athlete, nothing was cooler or more popular than Under Armour. Guys couldn't wait to go show off their new compression shirt or shorts in the locker room. At my high school, a trend started where guys would intentionally wear very short athletic shorts (at a time when very long shorts were the trend) so that the maximum amount of their UA compression shorts would be exposed. This trendiness was no accident. Under Armour invested very heavily in marketing their product to young athletes. They even managed to make jockstraps cool again for a brief period after they debuted the UA jockstrap in Any Given Sunday (there's an interesting story behind that by the way).

Why did UA invest so much in marketing compression gear? Because it was so cheap to produce. That's what their original business model was essentially built on. Here was a product that required only one, maybe two different materials, could be cheaply and relatively easily assembled, and could be sold for $30-$40. On the other hand, jockstraps required more steps in assembly and usually cost between $10 and $15. There was, and still is, just more profit in compression gear.

On top of making them cool, UA also did a great job in convincing athletes that compression gear would help prevent muscle strain and aid in recovery. It's true, jockstraps were promoted along similar lines for decades. The idea that they prevented things like testicular torsion was a major reason why coaches and PE teachers required them. However, the supposed health benefits of compression gear were just more relatable to most athletes than the supposed health benefits of jockstraps. Think about it. How many people do you know who have suffered from testicular torsion? Now, how many people do you know who have ever pulled a hamstring or been sore after lifting weights? Sure, I think the idea that compression gear prevents muscle pulls is bogus, and while compression does help with muscle recovery, the most popular compression shirts and shorts sold today aren't tight enough to make a meaningful difference. But, if you're a coach or a PE teacher or a team equipment manager, and part of your job is making sure your athletes are wearing gear that offers the most benefit physically, it's conceivable that you could have been convinced compression gear was better than jockstraps.

From that point, I think inertia comes into play. Just like the music we listen to or the cars we think are cool, a lot of guys never really change what they initially got used to in high school. If you started out wearing compression shorts for sports, you'll probably always wear them. Again, I was lucky in that jockstraps were still fairly common at my high school. I got used to wearing a jock for anything athletic in high school and, guess what, I still do and always will! I've given compression shorts a try a few times, but I ultimately always come back to my trusty jockstrap. Why? Because I'm a guy and that's how guys are, set in their ways!

We should also recognize and appreciate reversals in this trend when we see them. For instance, I think cup supporters have made a resurgence. For many years, the trend was for guys to put their cup in the pouch of compression shorts. However, I think that trend has run its course, and now many young athletes are coming around to the realization that wearing a cup in a supporter is way superior to wearing it in the pouch of compression shorts. A big reason I think is just advice they're getting from older athletes who have tried both ways. Also, the folks who make rules for youth sports are emphasizing the need to wear a cup. For instance, a couple years ago, cups were made mandatory for all high school lacrosse players (although refs are not allowed to check for them).

At this point I realize I've written a lot, so I'm going to end this post for now. I want to clarify that what I've written above is meant to address the general decline of jockstraps. I've got lots of thoughts on why jockstraps have declined (or not) in specific sports like football or lacrosse. I also firmly believe that, just as marketing and economics brought about the demise of jockstraps, they could absolutely do the opposite today and bring them back. If folks are interested, I can write more on those subjects later.
 
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billTO

Jockstrap Fan
I attended high school between 2003 and 2007, so right around the time jocks started disappearing from locker rooms, maybe a little bit after. My high school was a bit different. It was an all-guys high school where tradition was big, and generally speaking younger guys just tried to emulate the older guys, which is why a lot of us still wore jocks when most guys at other schools had switched over to compression shorts.

I hear a lot of guys blame the disappearance of jockstraps on the idea that they had become associated with gay sex and gay culture. I think that may be a reason why they're not popular today, but I don't think that's why guys stopped wearing them in the late 90s and early 2000s. Like someone said earlier in this thread, for that to be true, straight guys would have had to be watching or at least exposed to gay porn which, even though the internet definitely made gay porn more accessible around that time, was not happening. I also hear modesty blamed quite a bit. Again, that could be a reason why jocks aren't popular today among the snowflake set, but I don't think it was a factor at the time. At least at my high school, guys reveled in being naked in the locker room. Changing and showering together was a huge part of the bonding experience and the few guys who refused to shower naked were relentlessly taunted.

To me, a major factor in the decline of jockstraps was marketing. You have to remember, in the early 2000s, if you were a young athlete, nothing was cooler or more popular than Under Armour. Guys couldn't wait to go show off their new compression shirt or shorts in the locker room. At my high school, a trend started where guys would intentionally wear very short athletic shorts (at a time when very long shorts were the trend) so that the maximum amount of their UA compression shorts would be exposed. This trendiness was no accident. Under Armour invested very heavily in marketing their product to young athletes. They even managed to make jockstraps cool again for a brief period after they debuted the UA jockstrap in Any Given Sunday.

Why did UA invest so much in marketing compression gear? Because it was so cheap to produce. That's what their original business model was essentially built on. Here was a product that required only one, maybe two different materials, could be cheaply and relatively easily assembled, and could be sold for $30-$40. On the other hand, jockstraps required more steps in assembly and usually cost between $10 and $15. There was, and still is, just more profit in compression gear.

On top of making them cool, UA also did a great job in convincing athletes that compression gear would help prevent muscle strain and aid in recovery. It's true, jockstraps were promoted along similar lines for decades. The idea that they prevented things like testicular torsion was a major reason why coaches and PE teachers required them. However, the supposed health benefits of compression gear were more relatable than the supposed health benefits of jockstraps. Think about it. How many people do you know who have suffered from testicular torsion? Now, how many people do you know who have ever pulled a hamstring or been sore after lifting weights? Sure, I think the idea that compression gear prevents muscle pulls is bogus, and while compression does help with muscle recovery, the most popular compression shirts and shorts sold today aren't tight enough to make a meaningful difference. But, if you're a coach or a PE teacher or a team equipment manager, and part of your job is making sure your athletes are wearing gear that offers the most benefit physically, it's conceivable that you could have been convinced compression gear was better than jockstraps.

From that point, I think inertia comes into play. Just like the music we listen to or the cars we think are cool, a lot of guys never really change what they initially got used to in high school. If you started out wearing compression shorts for sports, you'll probably always wear them. Again, I was lucky in that jockstraps were still fairly common at my high school. I got used to wearing a jock for anything athletic in high school and, guess what, I still do and always will! I've given compression shorts a try a few times, but I ultimately always come back to my trusty jockstrap. Why? Because I'm a guy and that's how guys are, set in their ways!

At this point I realize I've written a lot, so I'm going to end this post for now. I want to clarify that what I've written above is meant to address the general decline of jockstraps. I've got lots of thoughts on why jockstraps have declined (or not) in specific sports like football or lacrosse. I also firmly believe that, just as marketing and economics brought about the demise of jockstraps, they could absolutely do the opposite today and bring them back. If folks are interested, I can write more on those subjects later.
What a thoughtful posting!
At my olgym I only saw two guys in jockstraps. Sad.
 

Opinionman

Jockstrap Fan
I attended high school between 2003 and 2007, so right around the time jocks started disappearing from locker rooms, maybe a little bit after. My high school was a bit different. It was an all-guys high school where tradition was big, and generally speaking younger guys just tried to emulate the older guys, which is why a lot of us still wore jocks when most guys at other schools had switched over to compression shorts.

I hear a lot of guys blame the disappearance of jockstraps on the idea that they had become associated with gay sex and gay culture. I think that may be a reason why they're not popular today, but I don't think that's why guys stopped wearing them in the late 90s and early 2000s. Like someone said earlier in this thread, for that to be true, straight guys would have had to be watching or at least exposed to gay porn which, even though the internet definitely made gay porn more accessible around that time, was not happening. I also hear modesty blamed quite a bit. Again, that could be a reason why jocks aren't popular today among the snowflake set, but I don't think it was a factor at the time. At least at my high school, guys reveled in being naked in the locker room. Changing and showering together was a huge part of the bonding experience and the few guys who refused to shower naked were relentlessly taunted.

To me, a major factor in the decline of jockstraps was marketing. You have to remember, in the early 2000s, if you were a young athlete, nothing was cooler or more popular than Under Armour. Guys couldn't wait to go show off their new compression shirt or shorts in the locker room. At my high school, a trend started where guys would intentionally wear very short athletic shorts (at a time when very long shorts were the trend) so that the maximum amount of their UA compression shorts would be exposed. This trendiness was no accident. Under Armour invested very heavily in marketing their product to young athletes. They even managed to make jockstraps cool again for a brief period after they debuted the UA jockstrap in Any Given Sunday (there's an interesting story behind that by the way).

Why did UA invest so much in marketing compression gear? Because it was so cheap to produce. That's what their original business model was essentially built on. Here was a product that required only one, maybe two different materials, could be cheaply and relatively easily assembled, and could be sold for $30-$40. On the other hand, jockstraps required more steps in assembly and usually cost between $10 and $15. There was, and still is, just more profit in compression gear.

On top of making them cool, UA also did a great job in convincing athletes that compression gear would help prevent muscle strain and aid in recovery. It's true, jockstraps were promoted along similar lines for decades. The idea that they prevented things like testicular torsion was a major reason why coaches and PE teachers required them. However, the supposed health benefits of compression gear were just more relatable to most athletes than the supposed health benefits of jockstraps. Think about it. How many people do you know who have suffered from testicular torsion? Now, how many people do you know who have ever pulled a hamstring or been sore after lifting weights? Sure, I think the idea that compression gear prevents muscle pulls is bogus, and while compression does help with muscle recovery, the most popular compression shirts and shorts sold today aren't tight enough to make a meaningful difference. But, if you're a coach or a PE teacher or a team equipment manager, and part of your job is making sure your athletes are wearing gear that offers the most benefit physically, it's conceivable that you could have been convinced compression gear was better than jockstraps.

From that point, I think inertia comes into play. Just like the music we listen to or the cars we think are cool, a lot of guys never really change what they initially got used to in high school. If you started out wearing compression shorts for sports, you'll probably always wear them. Again, I was lucky in that jockstraps were still fairly common at my high school. I got used to wearing a jock for anything athletic in high school and, guess what, I still do and always will! I've given compression shorts a try a few times, but I ultimately always come back to my trusty jockstrap. Why? Because I'm a guy and that's how guys are, set in their ways!

We should also recognize and appreciate reversals in this trend when we see them. For instance, I think cup supporters have made a resurgence. For many years, the trend was for guys to put their cup in the pouch of compression shorts. However, I think that trend has run its course, and now many young athletes are coming around to the realization that wearing a cup in a supporter is way superior to wearing it in the pouch of compression shorts. A big reason I think is just advice they're getting from older athletes who have tried both ways. Also, the folks who make rules for youth sports are emphasizing the need to wear a cup. For instance, a couple years ago, cups were made mandatory for all high school lacrosse players (although refs are not allowed to check for them).

At this point I realize I've written a lot, so I'm going to end this post for now. I want to clarify that what I've written above is meant to address the general decline of jockstraps. I've got lots of thoughts on why jockstraps have declined (or not) in specific sports like football or lacrosse. I also firmly believe that, just as marketing and economics brought about the demise of jockstraps, they could absolutely do the opposite today and bring them back. If folks are interested, I can write more on those subjects later.
Wow. You are a fuckin' impressive WRITER: thoughtful, clear, thorough, well-balanced. While it is NOT a pleasure to brood, as I often have, on the lamentable decline of jockstraps, your entry here provides a lot of cogent, nicely phrased reasons. Please write more!
 

ScottTheJockGuy

Jockstrap Fan
I attended high school between 2003 and 2007, so right around the time jocks started disappearing from locker rooms, maybe a little bit after. My high school was a bit different. It was an all-guys high school where tradition was big, and generally speaking younger guys just tried to emulate the older guys, which is why a lot of us still wore jocks when most guys at other schools had switched over to compression shorts.

I hear a lot of guys blame the disappearance of jockstraps on the idea that they had become associated with gay sex and gay culture. I think that may be a reason why they're not popular today, but I don't think that's why guys stopped wearing them in the late 90s and early 2000s. Like someone said earlier in this thread, for that to be true, straight guys would have had to be watching or at least exposed to gay porn which, even though the internet definitely made gay porn more accessible around that time, was not happening. I also hear modesty blamed quite a bit. Again, that could be a reason why jocks aren't popular today among the snowflake set, but I don't think it was a factor at the time. At least at my high school, guys reveled in being naked in the locker room. Changing and showering together was a huge part of the bonding experience and the few guys who refused to shower naked were relentlessly taunted.

To me, a major factor in the decline of jockstraps was marketing. You have to remember, in the early 2000s, if you were a young athlete, nothing was cooler or more popular than Under Armour. Guys couldn't wait to go show off their new compression shirt or shorts in the locker room. At my high school, a trend started where guys would intentionally wear very short athletic shorts (at a time when very long shorts were the trend) so that the maximum amount of their UA compression shorts would be exposed. This trendiness was no accident. Under Armour invested very heavily in marketing their product to young athletes. They even managed to make jockstraps cool again for a brief period after they debuted the UA jockstrap in Any Given Sunday (there's an interesting story behind that by the way).

Why did UA invest so much in marketing compression gear? Because it was so cheap to produce. That's what their original business model was essentially built on. Here was a product that required only one, maybe two different materials, could be cheaply and relatively easily assembled, and could be sold for $30-$40. On the other hand, jockstraps required more steps in assembly and usually cost between $10 and $15. There was, and still is, just more profit in compression gear.

On top of making them cool, UA also did a great job in convincing athletes that compression gear would help prevent muscle strain and aid in recovery. It's true, jockstraps were promoted along similar lines for decades. The idea that they prevented things like testicular torsion was a major reason why coaches and PE teachers required them. However, the supposed health benefits of compression gear were just more relatable to most athletes than the supposed health benefits of jockstraps. Think about it. How many people do you know who have suffered from testicular torsion? Now, how many people do you know who have ever pulled a hamstring or been sore after lifting weights? Sure, I think the idea that compression gear prevents muscle pulls is bogus, and while compression does help with muscle recovery, the most popular compression shirts and shorts sold today aren't tight enough to make a meaningful difference. But, if you're a coach or a PE teacher or a team equipment manager, and part of your job is making sure your athletes are wearing gear that offers the most benefit physically, it's conceivable that you could have been convinced compression gear was better than jockstraps.

From that point, I think inertia comes into play. Just like the music we listen to or the cars we think are cool, a lot of guys never really change what they initially got used to in high school. If you started out wearing compression shorts for sports, you'll probably always wear them. Again, I was lucky in that jockstraps were still fairly common at my high school. I got used to wearing a jock for anything athletic in high school and, guess what, I still do and always will! I've given compression shorts a try a few times, but I ultimately always come back to my trusty jockstrap. Why? Because I'm a guy and that's how guys are, set in their ways!

We should also recognize and appreciate reversals in this trend when we see them. For instance, I think cup supporters have made a resurgence. For many years, the trend was for guys to put their cup in the pouch of compression shorts. However, I think that trend has run its course, and now many young athletes are coming around to the realization that wearing a cup in a supporter is way superior to wearing it in the pouch of compression shorts. A big reason I think is just advice they're getting from older athletes who have tried both ways. Also, the folks who make rules for youth sports are emphasizing the need to wear a cup. For instance, a couple years ago, cups were made mandatory for all high school lacrosse players (although refs are not allowed to check for them).

At this point I realize I've written a lot, so I'm going to end this post for now. I want to clarify that what I've written above is meant to address the general decline of jockstraps. I've got lots of thoughts on why jockstraps have declined (or not) in specific sports like football or lacrosse. I also firmly believe that, just as marketing and economics brought about the demise of jockstraps, they could absolutely do the opposite today and bring them back. If folks are interested, I can write more on those subjects later.
You’re not wrong. I almost forgot about the UA trend. All the athletes at my school wore UA. Even the golfers.
 

JockedNYC

Jockstrap Fan
Go check out how foolish Kristen Stewart looks in a Jock on the cover of Rolling Stone. Its worse than Kim K in a jockstrap. It's funny how it just looks so wrong in so many ways, by people utterly desperate for attention, and she needs a jockstrap to make her statement. I'm embarrassed FOR her. Again, were wearing pants to the beach and she's in a jockstrap on the cover of Rolling Stone. Some serious Penis Envy right there. It's great how it looks really strange.
 

laxcup

Jockstrap Fan
Hahaha! I hadn't seen that until now. What a joke. So strange seeing a jockstrap pouch lie flat like that with nothing in it. I just read an interview where she said that look was born out of her wanting to do "the gayest thing ever". Again, here's pop culture stressing the association between jockstraps and homosexuality. Just ridiculous. All that being said though, I have to give her or her stylist props for the black label Bike jock.
 

Mick

Jockstrap Fan
It’s the double standard that annoys me. Legit men’s athletic stores and other sites get deleted or blocked on Instagram for wearing a jock especially when showing cheek, but because she’s a woman it’s okay. Imagine the outrage if a man on an SI cover wore a sports bra.
 

Oldschoolbiketen

Jockstrap Fan
In my opinion, some manufacturers are also to blame, for example:
"The NuttyBuddy is designed to be worn like the pros wear a cup - Put on your Compression Shorts first, Then add a Jock over the top and simply slide in between."
( https://nuttybuddy.com/products/nuttybuddy-jock )

Jockstraps with a pocket, to insert a hard cup, are very hard to find. JockstrapCentral is one of the very few shops that still sell such jockstraps:
https://www.jockstrapcentral.com/productdisplay.php?product=08015
I wear a jockstrap then the nutty buddy then their jock. They offer both a jockstrap and compression shorts. Think outside the box brother. See what I did there?
 

engjock

Jockstrap Fan
Quite why she, or her agent, or stylistic team, promo team etc etc thinks that’s sexy or gay or stylish I have no idea.
If you want to see a truly stunning, stylish and sexual photo of one of the Queens of Rock, check out Carly Simon’s ‘No Secret’ album.
Although I’m a gay man, she just oozes female sexuality by posing in a natural pose and because of it I bought the album there and then before I’d heard it.
According to her retelling of that shot, she was on her way to the studio in a hurry, deliberately left her bra off, pulled on a sweater and a pair of skinny jean, long before skinny jeans became a fashion statement, pulled on an oversized hat, stepped out of the front door of the Portobello Hotel. The photographer assigned to shoot the album cover, Ed Caraeff, took just a couple of shots.
No real forethought from her and no posing suggestions from Ed.
Both true masters of their respective crafts.
Today’s rock stars could learn a thing or two from studying classic rock album covers.
 

BillyC

If not commando, then jocked.
Quite why she, or her agent, or stylistic team, promo team etc etc thinks that’s sexy or gay or stylish I have no idea.
If you want to see a truly stunning, stylish and sexual photo of one of the Queens of Rock, check out Carly Simon’s ‘No Secret’ album.
Although I’m a gay man, she just oozes female sexuality by posing in a natural pose and because of it I bought the album there and then before I’d heard it.
According to her retelling of that shot, she was on her way to the studio in a hurry, deliberately left her bra off, pulled on a sweater and a pair of skinny jean, long before skinny jeans became a fashion statement, pulled on an oversized hat, stepped out of the front door of the Portobello Hotel. The photographer assigned to shoot the album cover, Ed Caraeff, took just a couple of shots.
No real forethought from her and no posing suggestions from Ed.
Both true masters of their respective crafts.
Today’s rock stars could learn a thing or two from studying classic rock album covers.
Elain me Stritch delivered a line in a defunct sitcom once to Ellen Burstyn, if I remember correctly, who protested her mother’s interference while she was teaching class — “Oh, dear, don’t you know you can’t TEACH class — they’re either born with it or they’re not!”
 
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